Q&A with Lucas St. Clair on Maine Woods monument

Lucas St. Clair is the president of Elliotsville Plantation, a private nonprofit organization that owns 87,500 acres in Northern Maine just east of Baxter State Park. Elliotsville is seeking to donate the land to the federal government for creation of a Maine Woods National Monument. St. Clair is the son of Roxanne Quimby, the wealthy philanthropist who purchased the land and created Elliotsville Plantation. St. Clair discussed with Acadia on My Mind the bid for a national monument, how Acadia National Park inspired the proposal, as well as the foundation’s plans to donate more than 60 acres on Mount Desert Island to Acadia this year. St. Clair is among those invited to speak during  a U.S. House Committee on Natural Resources hearing at 2 p.m. on Wednesday, June 1, at the East Millinocket Town Office, according to a memo by the committee. The committee is chaired by U.S. Rep. Rob Bishop, a Utah Republican. [Livestream hearing]

What makes the land special that it qualifies for national monument status?

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Lucas St. Clair, president of Elliotsville Plantation, was born in Dover-Foxcroft and grew up in a hand-built log cabin. (Photo courtesy of Lucas St. Clair)

Lucas St. Clair: There’s many, many things. The ecosystem has lots of flora and fauna that only live in this part of Maine. It is a unique part of the national landscape. It is a Northern Hardwood Forest and is not well represented in the National Park System. This landscape influenced the birth of America’s conservation movement through Henry David Thoreau and Theodore Roosevelt. The understanding of plate tectonics from a geologic standpoint was proven on this landscape by a USGS geologist in the 1950s. It has three incredible watersheds – the east branch of the Penobscot River, Seboeis Stream and the Wassataquoik Stream. And incredible views of Mount Katahdin. It acts as a climate refuge and it is also a very important piece of landscape for the Wabanaki people.

What are the main reasons you want to create a national monument?

St. Clair: To protect a resource that offers all of the things I just described and beyond that, to bring economic benefits to the Katahdin region, a region that needs economic revitalization and a diversified economy. National parks have been proven to do that all across the country.

Are we at a crucial time in the process with President Obama leaving office at the end of the year?

St. Clair: It’s the centennial of the National Park Service and these communities are not getting any better. From an economic standpoint, we are at a very crucial time. We are at a crucial time to revitalize the economy of the Katahdin region.

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Maps showing the proposed Maine Woods National Monument, to the east of Baxter State Park. (Image courtesy of Elliotsville Plantation)

Would you like Obama to sign an executive order for the monument by time he leaves office?

St. Clair: Yes. I think that is a great interim step to create a national park and national recreation area.

What happens if Obama does not act? Is it back to square one trying to educate a new administration?

St. Clair: Our conservation objectives have been achieved, which is the mission of our foundation. We would continue to work on conservation in Maine and in other places that would be of interest to our board of directors.

What is your prediction? Do you believe that Obama will create this national monument?

President Barack Obama hikes Acadia National Park

President Barack Obama, seen here visiting Acadia in 2010, would need to sign an executive order to create a Maine Woods National Monument. (White House photo)

St. Clair: I certainly can’t speak for the president but based on the local support and the enthusiasm that this project has in the region and across Maine and the overwhelming response in favor of the monument when [National Park Service] director Jarvis listened to the people of the state of Maine in Orono [on May 16], at least advisors to the president, are taking note of the great support.

What is your reaction to being invited to speak at a hearing of the U.S. Committee on Natural Resources on Wednesday? Originally, only opponents were scheduled to speak.

St. Clair: I never got a direct invite but saw that they listed me as a witness on Friday afternoon. It looks like they added my name after the headlines came out, accusing them of having a lopsided hearing. I am not going to go.

How do you respond to criticism that traditional uses – hunting, snowmobiling, fishing, could be ended or limited with a national monument?

St. Clair: It is absolutely not true. In fact, it would be enhanced and guaranteed forever.

Why do you say that?

St. Clair: That’s the reality. We are getting what is now private land and we are donating it to the American people. Through that process, we are ensuring that hunting and fishing and snowmobiling will be allowed on the property.

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Snowmobiling is currently allowed on the Elliotsville Plantation land, as it would be if it became a national monument. (Photo courtesy Elliotsville Plantation)

What is your take on the reasons residents in local towns – East Millinocket, Medway and Patten – did vote against the park?

St. Clair: It was a small percentage of the voters. The opposition to the park is very passionate. It is very emotionally charged. They put a lot of time and effort into making their side heard and they showed up to vote. When you look at the Board of Selectmen in East Millinocket, in Medway, in Patten – elected officials are in support. The Houlton Chamber of Commerce, the Bangor City Council and over 200 businesses – there is support from people who have taken time to look at it.

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This would be one of the views of Katahdin that would be visible from the proposed national monument. (Photo courtesy of Elliotsville Plantation)

There is still so much misinformation. It is hard for people to understand exactly what this is.

I feel like some people think that if it was not a national park or national monument, it would go back into timber production. That is not going to happen, but some people think it might. There are issues around air quality. People think that air quality standards will be changed. That is absolutely not true. In fact, it reads the opposite in the Clean Air Act. People think that traditional access like hunting and snowmobiling goes away. That again, not true, but people say it all the time. People stood up in Orono and said it. I can only do so much to make our points heard. There are some people that refuse to hear it as truths.

Do you need some kind of consensus to create the monument? It just seems that Maine is sharply divided on the issue with several local towns – Patten, East Millinocket and Medway voting against it, for example?

St. Clair: When I think of division, I think of half and half. Certainly, there is much more than half of the people in the region that support this. In the last poll we did (last year), it showed 67% of the 2nd [Congressional] district supporting the national park and many of them conservative voters. [Of 500 respondents, 25% opposed. The survey was completed by the same pollster who has worked for U.S. Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine]. There is much more support for this than there is opposition. I don’t think that any big project will ever come to consensus. That’s why we have to just get the majority. That is what we have at this point.

How do you view the appearances by National Park Service Director Jonathan Jarvis [in Orono and East Millinocket on May 16] to discuss the monument? Is that a sign that the Obama administration is serious about it?

St. Clair: Yes, absolutely. The Obama administration is committed to transparency in this process. They have public meetings. This public meeting (in Orono) was to gauge whether or not there was local support. Over 1,000 supporters showed up and overwhelmed people that were not supportive. It was a very fair and civil conversation. Both sides were able to speak and be represented.

Will the land held by Elliotsville Plantation always be open space even if the monument is never created?

St. Clair: Yes.

Is there a possibility the land could ever be developed or sold for home sites?

St. Clair: No. It is not the mission of our foundation. The mission of our foundation is conservation.

How do you respond to critics who say, “It is always going to be open for public use, it is always going to be conservation land and open space, why give it to the federal government?”

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This is the logo used on the Maine Woods National Monument Web site. (Image courtesy of Elliotsville Plantation)

St. Clair: Because we want to have economic benefit and economic benefit comes from national parks and not from conservation land. We can look across the state. There has been almost 3 million acres of land put into conservation in the state and all across the interior and we haven’t seen any economic benefits other than timber practice. People visit, people travel around the world to visit our national parks. Having one in the Katahdin region will bring that economic revitalization.

How many acres of the land on Elliotsville Plantation is currently open for public access?

St. Clair: All of it.

How much of it is open for snowmobiling and hunting?

St. Clair: We have about 30,000 acres that are open for hunting, 33 miles of snowmobile trails.

Why did you decide to do that?

St. Clair: It is what people in the Katahdin region want – access for hunting and snowmobiling is part of the way of life in the Katahdin region. We want to make sure that way of life is recognized and continued to be allowed.

If the land is created as national monument, will that current 30,000 acres remain as it is for hunting and will the snowmobiling remain?

St. Clair: Yes. It will.

That will be part of the deal as far as you concerned?

St. Clair: That’s right – exactly.

George B. Dorr is father of Acadia National Park

George B. Dorr, pictured along the shores of Jordan Pond, far right, fought to protect the lands that would become Acadia. A critical tool in that effort was the Antiquities Act, saving it first as a national monument. That would be the same act that would allow for a Maine Woods National Monument. (NPS photo)

Is your proposal for a national monument inspired by Acadia National Park?

St. Clair: Absolutely. It was inspired by the leadership President Woodrow Wilson had to create Acadia. It was a huge inspiration to me and my family as well as the other national monuments that were created around the country that led to national parks including Grand Canyon and Zion and the Olympic Peninsula. These are America’s crown jewels. They were created at one time initially as national monuments. That is certainly the source of our inspiration.

Your vision would be first a national monument and then create a national park out of the land eventually with congressional approval?

St. Clair: Exactly, that is our goal.

As I understand it, your mother, Roxanne Quimby, will donate land to Acadia National Park? The Bangor Daily News reports that Elliotsville owns more than 100 acres on Mount Desert Island, including five separate tracts of land totaling more than 60 acres in Mount Desert and Southwest Harbor that are expected to be donated to the park.

St. Clair: Yes. We have several land holdings that our foundation owns that we will be donating to the park. There is a handful of different parcels that are spread around the park. None of them are very large. All are within the park boundary.

When will that happen?

St. Clair: Over the course of this summer and into the fall. That’s our plan.

Thank you, Lucas St. Clair.

5 thoughts on “Q&A with Lucas St. Clair on Maine Woods monument

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  2. James Linnane

    Interesting. You asked him some good questions. The congressional hearing is certainly a kangaroo court, but it is a shame he is not taking up their invitation to make a nationwide case that might not be aware of Jarvis’s visit. Not sure he can guarantee hunting, logging, snowmobiling, etc. after the president declares a national monument. Still, federal designation of a national monument will attract attention that would improve the local economy. Today I was talking to a visitor in Bar Harbor who wanted to see a moose. I explained to her that MDI probably is too small to support a breeding population of moose and they are rarely seen here. Her best chance of seeing a moose I said is to go to Baxter State Park. She never heard of BSP and did not know where it is. When it comes to coastal locations, Acadia clearly fits into the “crown jewel” category. For mountainous areas in the eastern US BSP would be a crown jewel, but it is hardly known outside of Maine, except to AT hikers. Not that BSP should be donated to the federal government. Baxter’s gift and his design for governance of the area, including some access for logging and hunting, is part of what makes BSP so special for Mainers.

    1. Acadia on my mind Post author

      Dear Jim, yes, it seems it would be a missed opportunity if Lucas St. Clair didn’t attend the June 1 hearing, no matter what the make-up of the initial invitation list.

      It seems quite a few visitors come to Acadia looking for iconic Maine experiences, whether to see Atlantic puffins (not visible from MDI) or moose, only to be disappointed. We could imagine a “triumvirate” of federal lands that could keep visitors in Maine even longer, and perhaps take some of the pressure off MDI.

      Want to see moose? There’s both Baxter State Park and a neighboring Maine Woods national monument. Want to see puffins? How about a new federal wilderness designation for some of the Maine islands, which Fish and Wildlife and others have pushed for, to help better protect the puffins?

      Don’t know if there would ever come a time when the tension between Baxter’s wilderness mandate and AT thru hikers becomes untenable, or if the AT would ever get rerouted as part of the international extension. But having neighboring federal land available for such possibilities seems useful.

      Thanks again for the comment!

      P.S. In taking a closer look at the map of the proposed national monument, it appears to already include portions of the International Appalachian Trail. Having been AT hikers ourselves, we can imagine having a national monument protecting such a trail to be another potential benefit.

  3. jerry selig

    Why not make it a National Forrest, that way it could still be open for snow mobiling, hunting and fishing and hiking.

    1. Acadia on my mind Post author

      Hi Jerry, thanks for your comment. There are different mandates for national forest vs. national monument or national park.

      For example, national forest can allow for lumbering, while a national park or monument has conservation as a mandate. See this link for some more detail: https://www.nationalforests.org/blog/what-are-the-differences-between-national-parks-and-national-forests

      What we haven’t researched, but what may also be a key difference, national forest vs. national monument: A president can create a national monument with the stroke of a pen, but perhaps Congressional action is needed for national forest designation, just as it is for national park designation?

      Also requiring further research, although we believe this to be the case: An executive order may allow for certain uses, such as snowmobiling or hunting – especially if the donors of the land say those are among the uses they want preserved.

      A national park can also allow snowmobiling, such as in Acadia, within rules and regs.

      Thanks again for the comment!

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